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hello everybody and welcome once again to the unlearned podcast.
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I'm your host, ruth abigail aka ra.
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What up?
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Friends, it's your girl, jaquita and this is the podcast that's helping you gain the courage to change your mind so that we can all experience more freedom.
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Maybe we just do a video.
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Maybe, you know, we do 30 minutes instead of a night, you know like.
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um, so all right, so we're, we're, uh, we're in the series the kitchen table, uh, unlearning things from, from the kitchen table, and so far we've talked about unlearning, like, how to defeat your giant of normal, like what you grew up in it's what is normal.
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It was a good one.
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That was a good one.
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Guys Like, if you haven't checked this out, go back and check that out.
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Quinta, what was our last one?
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We talked about emotional vulnerability, unlearning, emotion unlearning like kind of suppressing your emotions.
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Yeah, and kind of like unlearning some of the maybe the habits of dealing with emotions that you you may have experienced in your younger years around your either your family, your community and what that what it looks like to do that now.
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That was a good one too.
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That was a lot that was a real good one.
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We was a lot.
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That was a real good one.
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We was unpacking the stuff in these streets.
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We really do be bearing souls.
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Yeah, we're about to do it again.
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We're about to do it one more time for y'all.
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So listen.
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Don't let my vulnerability and transparency go to waste.
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What you said.
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Don't do that.
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Y' go to waste what you say Y'all, make sure, like if this is helping you in any way.
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Please encourage my soul and leave a comment and be like thank you, ruth and Jaquita.
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Because of the sacrifice you made, you know, I changed my life.
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That's right.
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We need to hear that.
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We want to hear it.
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I'm going to be like listen, I'm going to start pulling some cookie cutter lessons off of Google.
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Okay, how to teach people about emotional vulnerability.
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Okay, yeah, use somebody else's story.
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We love what we do, we love it, we do Um and we have a good time doing it.
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We are about to dive into another um very relevant topic.
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You know can be touchy, for sure, um, and yeah, so I, I actually man, I had like a um, had a lead in and I forgot it.
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You know, I'm saying like I was gonna do a whole thing and now I don't forgot what it is okay, listen y'all, we're talking about them.
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Dollar, dollar bills today.
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Okay, we're talking about that corn.
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I had a cup, okay, that guap, all right.
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Wow, that cheddar.
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Okay, y'all remember that when that Beyonce the Destiny's Child song came out and everybody was like, ladies, leave your man at home.
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The club is full of ballers and they fucking full of.
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What was that word?
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What was that?
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word.
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What?
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What was that word we're talking about?
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It doesn't matter.
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Pockets full grown.
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That's what it was pockets full grown.
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We were, we were lost.
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We were lost on that verse.
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No, no, nobody around me knew that the verse.
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You know, back then, how many of y'all thought you knew the words to a song?
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And then, as you got older, what did you think they?
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They were Realized that that wasn't it.
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We all thought it was pockets full of groom and we was like we don't know what groom is but okay, I can't, that's hilarious.
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Jamming wrong words you know why?
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You know why Because I'm from Houston.
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That's why and that's where they from, and that's why I know.
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Okay, we're talking about money.
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We're talking about what we learned around the kitchen table about finances, and then what we then had to unlearn.
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Yep, what we, what we, what we then had to say that wasn't quite right.
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Let me get, let me reverse, back it up, put it in neutral, you know, and figure this thing out.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We're talking about unlearning, uh, from around that financial kitchen table.
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Yeah, man, and it's something we have to.
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Yes, it's something we have to.
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We really, really have to spend some time doing Money is one of those weird things that, like it's at least I know, growing up for me, it was one of those things that in our family we didn't talk about like that, like we didn't talk about money, like we didn't talk about money, like like not, we didn't talk about, but we didn't talk about how much money.
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We didn't talk about amounts of money.
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We talked about money as a topic, but we didn't get into the details.
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You know what I'm saying, and and and I was kind of taught like, hey, you don't, we don't, we don't discuss, you don't ask people how much they make.
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You don't, we're not discussing how much we make?
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None of that stuff.
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Um, you know and all so, like it was just so, there was a part of this idea that money, the idea of um, your, the your money business was to be, uh, undisclosed, but at the same time, um, it was important, it's important so it's on one hand, I'm not supposed to really talk about it, get into the details.
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On the other hand, it's supposed to be very important, something I really need to understand and so how did that happen in your house?
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I don't know.
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I think the thing about money is is that, even when you don't talk about it, is that, even when you don't talk about it, the money has images?
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Right, it's the house we lived in.
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It's the car we drove.
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Right, it's the clothes we wore.
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You know, I remember in high school, like realizing that I was not going to get a pair of Air Force Ones, you know, and it was give me two, like everybody had.
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Air Force Ones.
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You know what I'm saying, and I just knew not to even ask.
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Like, I knew that, like that wasn't going to be within the realm of possibility for my life, right, and I, and to me it was always like, even though you know we never specifically talked about money, I knew that my mom worked so hard because it wasn't a whole lot of money going around.
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You know, right, I knew that, like I looked at the difference between, like, single parent homes and two parent homes, and for me there was always this invisible balance that was letting me know okay, there's money over here, not as much over there.
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They might have a little money, he might have a little money, but it ain't money, ain't much money right here.
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And so I think money is both invisible but also very, very visible.
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I really think that's a great point.
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I think that you might think you make a great point.
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Money is visible.
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But here's what's interesting to me money is visible and, um, a lot of times that could be deceptive.
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Right, so it's like money is visible, but it could also that that visibility can be deceptive, because just because you see money doesn't mean people have it, and a lot of times it's not their money that you see, it's the banks and the credit cards.
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Listen, so you know.
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I mean I think that's something I did have to unlearn is like hey, all this stuff that people have, they probably are in debt because of it and have put themselves in a position to where they want to be seen like they have money.
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But if you look behind the curtain, ain't really much there.
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Yeah, I think that that was something that I had to unlearn.
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If we want to, if we want to hop in Right and I'm going to do something that I it just kind of just came to mind, but I think one of the things that my mind was not really at all grasping was this idea of debt right.
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Like because money, oh, I'm sorry, no go, I'm sorry, this idea of debt because I, I don't.
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You know there were no credit cards.
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There were no.
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You know, I found out much later.
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My mom would tell me that, like there were a couple of loans that were taken.
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You know, I saw my mom and my family like, hey, let me borrow $20.
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Let me get a hundred dollars over here, like the, the exchange of money was happening on the level that we were at.
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Yeah right, like it was.
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Hey, you know, like my cousin gonna help out with this or my friend gonna help out with that, but it was all always on kind of like a level playing field.
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And when you think about things like debt, like what could be considered good debt sometimes, or what can be just considered like the ability to use money that you don't have, is actually like a middle class trait.
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Yeah Right, like this idea of I'm going to use debt to fund a lifestyle is not always as present or it wasn't present at my kitchen table, like I.
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I don't ever remember seeing a credit card being whipped out and being like hey, put it on, put it on the black card.
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You know I'm saying like, yeah, let me.
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Let me get my american express out.
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You know like it was.
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The idea of debt was frightening.
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Yeah, because it's.
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We already don't have everything we need.
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Why in the world would we want to go in debt?
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No, we don't do debt.
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We don't do debt.
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And so like this idea of being able to access a life by by kind of kicking the can down the road and putting and pulling from money that you don't have, that you're saying I will have it over the next 10 years I'll be able to pay for the life that I'm living now.
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I think that that is something that I like when I got access to it, like when I got a credit card.
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I was like oh, I'm about to.
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Y'all want to go on a trip, I can pay for the plane ticket, y'all want to.
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And I went overboard because it was a life that was completely unfamiliar to me.
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I think you're making a.
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That is an excellent point.
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It's interesting, I didn't grow up with debt around my table either.
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At my kitchen table we did not play with debt.
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Jacqueline Smith, that is my mother?
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Oh no, she ain't playing with that.
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Yeah, like, like she had me.
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I mean, I currently have a credit card.
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I didn't get one until I got out of debt and the only reason I got one was to get um, rental cars because I was just I don't like the hold on my debit card and I but it took.
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It took me until I was good and good and in my 30s to even get one.
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I was scared of them.
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I wouldn't, I wouldn't fool with it, and so so we grew up with this constant story of my grandfather, whose father lost everything during the great depression and he saw how the banks messed up the money that you know, tried to get it out so he could survive, didn't get it and, um, that shaped my grandfather's you know uh, understanding of money and debt and banks.
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So when he got successful this is my mom's father when he got successful, he was an entrepreneur, um, very successful more, in a small town that they grew up in.
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He didn't fool with banks, everything he did was in cash, he paid for everything in cash, and that was how my mom grew up.
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So that's how we grew up.
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We don't do credit cards.
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We don't do debt.
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My father grew up a very different way.
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His family grew up.
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They didn't do credit cards.
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We don't do debt.
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My father grew up a very different way.
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His family grew up.
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They didn't have a lot and he tells a story of my mom would pay her bills months in advance.
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My father grew up understanding you pay the bill when they come ask for the bill.
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No, but, for real, though you know what I'm saying.
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Tell me y'all ain't had to avoid the credit card, the credit card people calling on the phone, what they call the bill collectors, calling your phone when they came out with caller ID.
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Let me tell you something caller ID changed the game.
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Okay.
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Changed the game.
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Okay, you look at that caller ID.
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I don't know that number.
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We ain't answering that.
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Okay, might be a bill collector.
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And you just so.
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So I, I grew up with very, I grew up with a pretty balanced understanding of money, but I grew up with with with parents from two very different perspectives and different habits that they had.
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You know what I mean.
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And so we, um, I I we'll talk about a little later but I think that there were a lot of things that I absolutely, uh, I had to unlearn because of my own immaturity and what I saw, um, growing up and made some just assumptions around things, you know, and it wasn't necessarily what I was taught, but it's what I thought, I saw and understood, and I really didn't it's like no, no, no, that's not really what we meant.
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And so I, as I got older, I started to understand some things, but the debt thing was was a very, very.
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I just you know you get away from it.
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Um, very, I just you know you get away from it.
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I think you're right.
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I love what you said about the.
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Uh, you're trying to fund a life that you don't currently have access to.
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It's like this idea of and there is a to some degree that that, uh, that attitude of entitlement right, that attitude of entitlement right that you see in a lot in America where you feel like I deserve that.
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So I'm going to go get it, even though I can't afford it.
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And to me, that is a mindset that we have to.
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We've all been there in some form or fashion.
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I deserve it.
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I'm going to go get it even though I can't afford it, and it's it.
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It has defined generations.
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It has defined.
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I would say you know, probably the our generation and the generation right above us, gen X that has really defined that like nope, I deserve it, I'm gonna go get it, even though I can't afford it.
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And then you look back and you have to continue to work for what you got when you couldn't afford it.
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But here's the thing.
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Here's the thing, and I'm sorry I'm jumping through these points, but I'm going to hit them as they come.
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Here's the thing the things that we're buying, that we can't afford, don't have any real value, right, they are not things that are going to be accruing value as you hold them.
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You know, like you're going out and getting nice bags and I, you know, I was saying for a long time I was like I'm not buying another bag until it's name brand, cause I've never had a name brand purse.
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I've never bought myself a name brand purse.
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One landed in my hands accidentally, which is a whole nother story but I have never sat down and went to a designer store and bought myself a purse and I had that set.
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But then after a while I said, jaquita, you just need something to hold your things, right, like there will be a time where you will be able to out of your abundance by that thing.
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But we're not buying something just so that we can have the name on us.
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Yeah, right, and we?
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But we get so consumed with this idea of I deserve because and a lot of times it's I deserve because I've had it so hard or because I had to work so hard or because I haven't had it for so long.
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Yeah, I should have it.
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Yeah, and let me tell y'all something I lived in that treat yourself, treat yourself mentality.
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Ok, yeah, I was.
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I was out there in them streets, just not named brand, but I was like hair done, nails done, I'm gonna go where I want to go, I'm gonna do what I want to do and then it does.
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It will not.
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The appetite that you have for financial success and financial wealth will not be met by going out and buying things that don't have value.
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So I think a good question that is something for I mean we can answer it, and just for anyone listening to answer is how do you define value?
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What's that Like?
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What does that mean?
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How do you define it?
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How do you know it's valuable to you?
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So I think you have to sit down with something, and and I'm I'm trying not to get into the story, cause I'm about to in a minute, but you have to you have to something that is valuable, you know, uh, in the Bible, everybody says this prayer, like the prayer of Jabez.
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You know, enlarge my territory, right.
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And everybody starts praying like Lord, just give me more, enlarge it.
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I want to be able to have more and do more and have more impact, right.
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Whatever you get that is of value should be able to be used for a higher purpose in your life.
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This is how I define value, right, and I'll use this example before I get into my other example my car.
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All right, I had a wonderful car.
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Her name was Miracle.
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Okay, her name was Miracle because she was going to take me from one miracle to the next.
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All right, she was a Ford Escape.
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She was a 2014 Ford Escape.
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She was beautiful, okay, and for eight good years, miracle held me down.
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Okay, miracle, let me tell you something Miracle never had no real big breakdowns, just had to put up some brakes on her one time and Miracle, miracle was holding me down.
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I got to my new job in 2022.
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I started working, where I had a one-hour commute to work and a one-hour commute back.
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As I'm driving, I'm like Miracle is taking hits.
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I'm looking at that mileage and it's whipping around.
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It is whipping around and I had a choice, whipping around, and I had an.
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I had a choice I could either, uh, buy a new car right or I could, you know Miracle was starting to shut down.