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Hello everybody and welcome once again to the unlearned podcast.
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I'm your host, ruth Abigail aka RA, and this is the podcast that is helping you gain the courage to change your mind so that you can experience more freedom.
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And we are in our series called Unlearning Entrepreneurship, and I have a very, very special guest with me today.
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He is the first government official I've ever had on this, on this, on this podcast.
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This is exciting.
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I would like to introduce to some and present to others.
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Mayor Greg Bennett of Swainsboro, georgia.
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What's up, greg?
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Hello, how are you?
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I don't know about a government official, I don't.
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Small-time politics is small-time politics.
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It's not like there's not really a Democrat and Republican.
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We're all just in the same boat, trying to make everything better.
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Honestly, when we're in our little meetings, I couldn't tell you who's a Republican and who's a Democrat.
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It's just.
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It's just different.
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It really is.
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Well, I mean okay, but you did get voted in, oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, Voted in.
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I mean you're a government official to me.
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Yeah, yes, sir, I don't get paid, I don't take a salary.
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Yeah, you don't.
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You don't take a salary, oh, you don't.
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No, I uh, I'm supposed to get a salary but I've never turned in my paperwork to get them to pay me.
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That way I know I won't get paid.
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It's about 20-something grand a year but I don't take it.
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Oh, you know what that's wonderful.
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That's wonderful.
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Did you know, coming in, you weren't going to take it.
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You just knew you were going to.
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Yeah Well, what am I planning?
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Here's what I do I kind of take it without taking it.
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What happens is, let's say, the Christmas.
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The Christmas budget is five grand and they need $8,000 to do lots.
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So I say take 3000 out of my pay and buy the lots.
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Oh, that's perfect, that's dope, okay, so you said small town.
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You're from Swainsboro, georgia, uh, and you know, um, we've met a few times, I've been out there a few times.
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Describe how small it is, wouldn't you say small town, swainsboro, the?
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whole county is like 25,000 residents and Swainsboro, if you took like maybe a diagram of maybe three miles from our center, we're like 10,000 residents right there, Just like a three-mile radius.
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Okay, the population is really about 7,500, but the city lines are just screwed up.
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So it's really you take about a three-mile radius 10,000.
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So all right, so about 7,500 to 10,000.
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So that's about.
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I think that's okay.
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That's not as small as it could be.
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Well, we actually grew.
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We probably grew 300 people in the last year, really, and we've grown by 100 people in the last 30 years, and we grew by 300 people this year.
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What was different?
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What happened?
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That's a huge jump.
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I started a whole new subdivision.
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I'm a developer too, so I started.
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Anyone don't ever think they can do a subdivision.
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Subdivisions are the most time consuming thing you've ever seen in your life.
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And I'm even building the houses.
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I'm not really a house builder, but I put people together like this guy's a construction worker, this guy's a plumber, this guy's electrician, so I put them all together to build houses.
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But in the end of the day, after you sell the home, the homeowner don't call those people.
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They call you if something goes wrong.
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So now I'm on the hook for a year dealing with things like there's water leaking here and I'm not really the person who does all that right.
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But you know they did directly pay me, but I didn't do it for profit.
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I made absolutely no profit Really and I just wanted to put.
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There was about 50 people who work out there building houses every day.
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It gave 50 people a job.
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Plus, we've got 50 more homes in the community than we didn't have before.
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Hold on, you're the developer.
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You're not a broker, I guess, but you're acting as a property manager, though.
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I'm acting like the general contractor.
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What I do, I put these eight people together and I pick out house plans and I do everything.
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But then halfway through the house build I'll put them for sale and so then the owner can come in and pick their own paints and do small little things and we have yet to finish a house that wasn't sold yet.
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By the time it's ready, somebody buys it.
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And I'm not saying they're cheap houses, but if I'm not taking a profit, so the general contractor will usually make about 15% profit.
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So if I'm selling a house for $200,000, $250,000 in that range, technically I probably should have made $35,000 profit.
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So the houses would have been $35 higher, but they're not 35 grand higher.
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So they're selling pretty fast.
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And I'm not saying they're probably middle to middle upper class homes.
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The cheapest home we sold out there was $193,000 and the highest price home was $450,000.
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So it's a good array of homes but for Swainsboro actual residents you know it's on the higher end but not really on the higher end.
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You know like all of Swainsboro cannot afford these homes and I've been blasted a few times saying you're not building homes.
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People in the community can buy, everybody can buy, but my go back to them is to take Chevrolet, the Chevrolet place.
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The Chevrolet place has a hundred thousand dollar car Well, they also have a five thousand dollar car.
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So you're telling the Chevrolet place they shouldn't sell the hundred thousand dollar car, even though somebody about you know.
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So maybe you can't afford every house out there, maybe not, maybe everybody can't afford houses out there, but there's, you know, half the community can.
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And my goal to do this thing was to make Swainsboro grow, and I'm not saying that I didn't want people from Swainsboro to buy the homes, but in order to grow you got to move people here, you know.
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So if I just build these homes and everybody in Swainsboro moves out there, we didn't do anything.
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So I'm going to say 90% of everybody in the subdivision are not from.
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I'm going to say half of them are not even from Georgia.
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Really, yeah, because what they do like.
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One couple told me from Boston they went to Savannah and they liked Savannah.
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They wanted to move here from Boston.
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Well, they couldn't afford a home in Savannah because they were so expensive.
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So then they said, okay, let's search 50 miles out of Savannah or 75 miles, and we want a brand new home.
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Then they said, OK, let's search 50 miles out of Savannah or 75 miles, and we want a brand new home.
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And then they were finding the homes that I was listing and they said there's no way these homes are this.
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Why are they $50,000 cheaper than the other homes we're finding?
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So they flew down here, looked at it, they bought it.
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I wasn't even finished with that house and they bought it before we was finished.
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So OK, so I want to, I want to, I want to back up a little bit because you, you, first of all, I just I got to ask what is your motivation?
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Like you said, like, ok, you don't take a salary for your position as mayor, you aren't making a profit on this development, you know, you, what's your motivation?
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You're, you're an entrepreneur, like you're, you know you're, you're not giving stuff away.
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But obviously, there's obviously a motivating factor here, at least for those two things that you said.
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What's your motivation for doing things and not necessarily reaping the benefit?
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you get.
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Well, I was born here, naturally, so I've only moved away for probably three years of my whole life.
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I went to college.
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I went two years of college after I finished a local college here.
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So I went to two years in Statesburg, georgia Southern, and I graduated there and there's a little story there.
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And then I moved away for one year to a neighboring town called Dublin and then I built an assisted living home there.
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So I moved over there for a year while I was getting up and running and then I moved back.
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But I really want Swainsboro to grow, because we've pretty much been in like a standstill for like 30 years and if you're not growing, you're you're, you're going backwards.
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You know, if you don't, swainsboro is almost becoming, or was becoming, like a rental house town.
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You know, like always you got grandmothers and grandmothers living in the town.
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Well, they pass away and their sons or daughters get it and they just rent the home out, and so a rental house town is way different than a town.
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That's got, you know, people living there, because no offense to renters, but you're not invested in a community like you would be if you actually owned the home.
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So you take care of the home more, you take care of your yard better, and I didn't want to see it go that way.
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So in order for us to grow, you have to have the whole brand new center, because we don't have a lot of lots left scattered around town, so we had to create the lots.
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You got pushback but from what it makes sense is like, okay, you bring new people in, you can grow the economy because you got new money in, you got new people in.
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That have you know, potential to to to increase different in different ways and the city contribute differently.
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So, even if you can't currently afford a home, because it's possible that if you, if new people come in, the economy could be such to where maybe you could do better in order to afford that home because there's when somebody moves there, like there's 50 homes, I'm gonna say 40 of them is gonna have people that don't live here.
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So those 40 people either work or gonna find a job here or they're retired.
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Right, but when they bought those 50 homes, that say on average of 225 000 a piece does a lot more economy that the government here can get more tax money off of.
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And so if you got more tax money coming in from this group of people that you didn't, not everybody else's taxes might go down because there's more people sharing the pot than it was before.
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And the more I'm not going to say more expensive homes you build, but the more middle-class homes you build, those people are going to spend more money in town than somebody who comes here and don't really have a job and don't really work, you know, and won't rent a home.
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Maybe they don't have a job to contribute much to this community, as would somebody who comes in and, you know, got a good retirement they make and can spend money around town.
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Okay, so let's go back to you.
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Said you graduated from Georgia.
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You said you graduated from Georgia Southern.
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Georgia Southern.
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I went the long route.
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I went, like everybody does, when you graduated high school and I loved high school.
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I'm one of these weird people that I went from ninth grade through 12th.
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I didn't miss one day of school.
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I just loved school.
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Well, I like sports too.
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You know, back when I was going to school, if you missed that day you couldn't participate in any sports.
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You know, if we had a game the next day, if you missed the day before, you're not playing the game because apparently you're sick.
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And I played year-round sports.
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You know I went from basketball to baseball to track, so I played year-round, so I played year round.
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But anyway, after I graduated high school, I went to college, a local college it was called East Georgia Colleges here in town, and I found out right quick, like you don't really have to go to class.
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It wasn't like high school, you know, like if you want to go, you can, if you don't, it don't matter, we don't care.
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So it took me probably four years to get two years because I was pitiful.
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So then, after I finished here, I went to Georgia Southern and after two years I just got bored with it a little bit and didn't want to and I still like six months from graduating.
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So I quit, went back home.
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My dad was a farmer.
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So I said you know what?
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I'm ready to make some money.
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I was probably 22 at the time and I said I want to make some money.
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So I quit college with six months to go and when I was probably 35 years old, my wife at the time, her dad was sick in Statesboro Hospital.
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So I've said you know what, I'm here, I'm going to go see how much college I like.
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So I went over there and they said you only like six months.
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I said you know what, sign me up for classes.
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So I think I was 35 when I actually graduated.
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Oh, wow, that's cool.
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I finished, you finished, that's it.
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You got a degree, yeah, okay.
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So what were you doing in between 22 and 35?
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I formed, like I said, my dad formed.
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So I think from probably the age of 23 until probably 35, I farmed.
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That's all I did.
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My dad did it.
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So naturally, I said that's what I got to do is farm.
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But one year I was farming.
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And farming is different.
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Farming is it doesn't matter how hard you work or if you do everything right, if it does not rain or if it's too hot or if it's too cold, you don't make any profit, which means you can't eat.
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And it's not like other jobs.
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Other jobs, you get paid every two weeks, every once a month.
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Farmers will get paid once a year.
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You have to put all your eggs in one basket and if that year is bad, you don't pay out.
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You can't pay the bank off.
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And so I got to thinking when I was 35, I remember this I was 35 when I was farming for the springtime, that's when we plant everything and I said this is absolutely insane, because I've already figured on paper that I can't make a profit this year because prices were down, you know, and inputs were up.
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And I said what am I doing here?
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If it doesn't work on paper?
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It's not going to work.
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This is stupid.
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So what I did.
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I said, okay, when I got through planting, I sold my planters.
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When I got through spraying for the year, I sold my sprayer.
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When I got through harvesting my crop, I sold my harvester.
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That way I could not farm the next year.
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So I made myself not farm.
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And at the time my wife at the time we had started an assisted living home.
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It was probably two to three years into that so she did that on the side and I helped her some.
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And then I said you know what it does?
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Pretty good, I'm just going to take all of my assets that I had farming and build another assisted living home.
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So that's when I moved to Dublin and built a whole new assisted living home.
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And while we were over there she and I got a divorce.
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But she took the nursing home in Dublin, the new one, I took the old one and I moved back home.
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Then from there I started a new business.
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I think I'm up to I think I have 11 or 12 right now businesses you have 11 or 12 businesses.
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Okay, I want to know.
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But I want to go back to the farming thing because that is I'm sure you know.
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Go back to the farming thing because I, that is um I'm sure you know, ty, who's my husband.
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This is how I know greg, he's probably called you.
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We have a little garden in the back, right, so we started planting stuff.
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Uh, earlier this year, and, and, and I, so I'm I'm from houston, texas.
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I got no country farm in me at all, right, so this is a new world for me.
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Okay, you said you get paid once a year.
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I need you to break down the economy of farming.
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I don't.
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I don't understand why it's a once a year payout, all right.
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So let's take.
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Let's take first of the year.
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The first of the year you have to pay all your rent.
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So, like I was a renter, so I didn't own any land, so I had to rent land and you have to pay all your renters up front.
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So say, if I had a thousand acres I probably paid 30 to 40, 30 to $50 an acre rent right.
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So right off the bat I'm paying you know a lot, $50,000 in the first month for rent on all this land.
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And then you have to put things like you have to get all the soil ready, so you have to put something called lime.
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Lime helps to pH right in the land, so you have to get.
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If the pH isn't right, the fertilizer is not going to work, so you have to spend that money.
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Then you have to buy the fertilizer, so, and the fertilizer and the lime usually cost about $75 an acre.
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So now I got the rent and the fertilizer all up front, so I'm investing all that money up front, okay.
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Then you have to seed.
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You got to put the seed out, and once you put the seed out you have to make sure no weeds come up, and so and through, all through the year you're either plowing the field or spraying the field to kill all the weeds.
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That's all you do all year long no weeds, no weeds, no weeds.
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And then at the end of the year this is probably now we're talking September, october.
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So from March to September October, all you're doing is spending money.
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You don't make anything and if it quits raining, say in July, for the whole month, well, you're out there saying, okay, do I spend more money or do I just quit?
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Because do I throw good money after bad?
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But you always got hope.
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You always believe in God He'll make it rain.
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So you keep spending money.
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You keep spending money.
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So then October comes, you either have a good year or a bad year.
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So we harvest from about September to November.
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And when you're harvesting, if the prices aren't right because us farmers are different September, october, november we're broke.
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Everybody's screaming to pay me If the prices are down.
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We don't really have a choice.
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It's not like we can say I don't want to sell right now, I want to wait because I think prices are going up.
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Well, it don't matter, you got bills to pay, so you can't really speculate and hope they go up.
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So we pretty much have to take what they'll give us September, october, november and then try to pile it all up, pay everybody off.
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You can, or you can go the next year.
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Whoa.
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And that's not even getting to the equipment.
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The equipment is a whole different thing.
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I mean you have to go out and spend $500,000 on one piece of equipment and probably not take 10 pieces of equipment to farm.
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You're starting off, I mean like unless you have capital.
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I mean you're starting off in debt day one, yeah day one, day one, and most farmers it takes everything they got to pay off.
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When we start we're having to borrow that money to start off with, because it took all the money we made the last year to pay everybody off.
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So you start day one having to go to the bank.